Curse

Esprit · Dec 26, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

I've played in Jade Quarry from the very beginning, before you got 3,500 faction for winning, and when you could kill the Ranger NPCs before the game started and corpse travel into the arena before the portals and gates opened. Some called it cheating, others considered it a strategic advantage.

As a Kurzick, I have always enjoyed playing in Jade Quarry because of how often the Kurzick side won. I am talking about about winning streaks in the double digits. Even after the Ranger corpse travel tactic was fixed, Kurzicks continued to dominate in Jade Quarry, and because of that, it died out, with Luxons not wanting to play.

With the recent faction update, Arena Net breathed life back into Jade Quarry with the faction gain near the top of the list for faction gain per hour. Yet, I am finding that I still win 7 out of 10 games (or higher).

What has always confounded me, is WHY Kurzicks win so often. The map is [supposedly] balanced with both sides having an equal chance to win. Purple and Green quarries are equi-distant to Kurzick and Luxon sides, respectively, and the Yellow quarry the same distance from both sides.

While it would be easy to say it is because Kurzick players are better, I can hardly believe that Kurzick player skill is greater than Luxon player skill in Jade Quarry. Or is it?

I am not definitely not complaining, because it is nice to donate 50k faction (before double) every few hours, but perhaps someone else can enlighten me on what has Kuzicks winning much more often than Luxons.

Dragonire · Dec 26, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

This is something I've noticed too - I've gone days without losing a single match, which is strange considering Jade Quarry is completely (or should be) balanced on both sides (unlike Fort Aspenwood). Perhaps there are just more people aiming for the Kurzick title? After vanquishing, JQ is one of the faster ways of gaining faction so... *Shrug*

I'd be interested in knowing why as well. :P

edlittle · Dec 26, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

I think it's because of the bots that are there (Green Quarry, Purple Quarry, and some other ones.)

Nessar · Dec 26, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

I'm not really sure why kurzies win so much. I've went on streaks upon streaks. Maybe a few had bots, but I'm sure most were human players.

I find that once you take yellow and purple and hold them, you've practically won. Unless there is no monk and the juggies are dieing constantly, making it so that the lux win. Other then that...*shrugs* yellow & purp ftw

jackinthe · Dec 26, 2008, 04:06 AM // 04:06

i've noticed that kurzicks generally have more monks.
luxons have taken longer to catch on and some even still run bombers, not realizing a monk can save the shrine.
also, i commonly see guild sync on the kurzick side, which is not to say luxons don't sync also, but because of HFFF the majority of ff guilds are kurzick.

ajc2123 · Dec 26, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46

I dunno why, but its a damn good thing kurzicks win that area, since they cant do shit in AB when I'm online.

Im just glad they revived both competetive missions. Now its fun again!

L|S >+>+G+<+< · Dec 26, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

well...speaking from the luxon side of things its utter bs. a lot of luxons seem to not care or listen to the shout of *cap yellow n green*.

also I think there are kurzick people that join the game then leave immediately giving us a disadvantage.
I'm sure it happens the other way round too but perhaps not so much?

Maybe you kurzicks just listen to each other more than not and work as a team *shrug*

bots do not help either :|

merry xmas to all anyway, hope you had a nice one!!!! (except the twat botters!!!)

Shayne Hawke · Dec 26, 2008, 05:11 AM // 05:11

I've never been able to explain this myself, but I sorta feel the same way with a Luxon dominance at Fort Aspenwood. I haven't played FA very many times in the past year, but it never really seemed like the Kurzicks could do much of anything there.

Don't be fooled though. I've met some pretty god awful Kurzicks in JQ, as well as some Luxons that turned out to be worthy opponents. I've never lost though on the Kurzick side though, either because there was such a difference in skill level that the Kurzicks grabbed an early lead and held it, or because I'd rage when people would be dumb, like forgetting to go for Purple.

Klem Da Aussie · Dec 26, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

idk but what i see alot on the lux side is bots that just follow the nearest thing (but not enemies) and if that thing dies it switches to another thing.

Balky · Dec 26, 2008, 05:19 AM // 05:19

I was just going to post on this, don`t know about the Kurz side, but literally every game on the Lux, we seem to have at least one bot, or what i`d suspect is a Kurz player who joins then leaves before start leaving us one down. It`s really starting to piss me off !!!!

Some games we`ve dropped and there`s been two bots and a leaver ffs , repeated reports seem to do nothing about it, even mailing anet with screenshots of a monk running round inside base healing defenders does nothing !

On the few it now seems occasions we drop with a full team of Lux players, we win at least 50% , it`s getting to the stag ei just can`t be bothered with it, at least AB has less of the above, but then it gives lower faction, so probably isn`t worth the botters/leavers time.

Dookie Dookz · Dec 26, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esprit

With the recent faction update, Arena Net breathed life back into Jade Quarry with the faction gain near the top of the list for faction gain per hour. Yet, I am finding that I still win 7 out of 10 games (or higher).

Based on my perspective from the luxon side, games I have been entering are won absolutely more than 50% of the time by luxons. And almost every game there is one bot usually a monk.

Balky · Dec 26, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

The Nec and Monk in picture

Konig Des Todes · Dec 26, 2008, 06:26 AM // 06:26

@^: First, no posting names. Second, you show 2 monks in the picture itself and 3 monks in the team bar. With Two Necros in the team bar.

Codin The Great · Dec 26, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

if kurzick are winning a lot then im fine with watever is wrong hehe :P

Balky · Dec 26, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin;

@^: First, no posting names. Second, you show 2 monks in the picture itself and 3 monks in the team bar. With Two Necros in the team bar.

Don`t take a genius to work out which ones in pic, the team bar isn`t relevant , but its the pgm monk ok

Reflect · Dec 26, 2008, 07:58 AM // 07:58

tbh, Kurzicks Pwn both FA znd JQ.....
from what i`ve seen luxies do better on AB tho

BoondockSaint · Dec 26, 2008, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Intreasting that such a thread was started because I noticed the same thing. While I expected to not have as much control of the winning and losing as say when our guild gvgs and HA, the win/loss ratio in jade is not preportional.

Now please someone dont come and say LUXON SUK!!!! ect. and turn this into a flame thread. Back on topic, I have really tried a number of builds even monk, which I really dont like, but tolorate in RA for easier wins.

Just to test this all our, about a week ago I switched to kurz. with my pvp character and there was many more wins on that side.

Anyways to finish, I agree, and am unsure why this happens but hope it will begin to balance out before the majority of luxon give up and jade becomes a ghost town.

Breakfast Mc Rit · Dec 26, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

Maybe you all are unknowingly synced to other half-decent players, because I've had plenty of losses due to horrible players, bots/leechers, and good Luxon rangers that know how to pick off the offense. I can usually remedy this by waiting for a few seconds to rejoin.

slowerpoke · Dec 26, 2008, 12:33 PM // 12:33

it is a pretty horrible map. that and all those suicide bombing n/a's

but why is it symmetrically balanced with no advantage for the Lux? FA certainly is setup to be stronger for the Kurzick

FoxBat · Dec 26, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

My guess- FAoften has a significant wait time on the kurzick side, due to the kurzies outnumbering luxons greatly. Kurzick bots therefore figure they have more efficient places to farm; luxon bots do not.